Virginia Tech graduate and shooting survivor Nicholas Roland is speaking out in favor of campus carry by pointing out that during his crisis, “the police were not fast enough to save lives.”

Roland was not criticizing police for being slow, rather, he was suggesting there is no way they could arrive in time to stop the bloodshed; unarmed people had no means of real self-defense.

According to The College Fix, Roland is now a Ph.D. candidate in U.S. history at UT. He said the “worst situation is to have no defense back” when an attacker opens fire. Reflecting on the April 16, 2007 Virginia Tech attack–where 32 innocents were shot and killed in a gun-free zone–Roland said, “The police were not fast enough and 32 people died.”

Roland also pointed to the record of campus carry in states where it has been in effect longer–states like Colorado. On August 20, 2015 Breitbart News reported that campus carry had been in place in Colorado for 12 years with no mass shootings and no crimes by a permit holder.

Central Texas Gun Works owner Michael Cargill also took part in the Austin town hall. When opponents of campus carry argued that the guns in classrooms would stifle free speech Cargill pointed out that the “most heated debates take place at the Texas State Capitol, [where] concealed carry and even open carry is allowed.”

AWR Hawkins is the Second Amendment columnist for Breitbart News and political analyst for Armed American Radio. Follow him on Twitter: @AWRHawkins. Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com.