MIAMI, Florida — Conservative columnist and 10-time New York Times bestselling author Ann Coulter steamrolled Fusion host Jorge Ramos in an appearance Tuesday filled with dramatic moments, none more interesting than where Coulter got Ramos to admit he doesn’t believe there should be a limit to how many Mexicans the United States will allow into this country—either legally or illegally.
“One last question and you asked we ask on Twitter: Tell me anything new that is not known generally,” Ramos asked Coulter to wrap the interview about her new book, Adios America.
“Well, obviously you brought one up: 30 million illegals, not 11,” Coulter fired back, referencing a fiery opening exchange to the interview.
“It’s 11, it’s 11,” Ramos insisted. “Not 30 million.”
Coulter trekked forward with her answer. “More Nigerians than English since the 1970 immigration law,” she said. “Oh, that the people who passed the 1965 immigration law—Teddy Kennedy, the rest of the Democrats—they swore up and down it would not change the ethnic composition of this country. This has been the most dramatic historic ethnic change to any nation in world history. This is with lying to the American people—and without even consulting the American people on it, which is why I’m particularly enraged that every night I can see enthusiasm on MSNBC for ‘the browning of America, the browning of America, the browning of America.’ But if I say, ‘I don’t like what you’ve done,’ oh, that’s racist.”
Ramos followed up by asking Coulter if he thinks America is a “stronger nation” because it’s “more diverse, more tolerant.”
“It’s not more diverse, it’s more Mexican,” Coulter shot back.
“I think it’s more diverse—much more diverse,” Ramos replied.
After Ramos said he thinks “diversity” is “fantastic” and “beautiful,” Coulter wrapped the full segment with a question of her own for him.
“We have taken in one quarter of the entire Mexican population,” Coulter asked him. “At what point will we have taken in enough, in your view?”
That’s where Ramos made his stunning admission.
“I think that with the legal system—“ he started to answer.
“Half the Mexican population? The entire Mexican population?” Coulter kept pressing.
“No, I think with the legal system we wouldn’t need and we wouldn’t be having hundreds of people dying crossing the border,” Ramos replied.
“That isn’t an answer to the question,” Coulter corrected him. “One quarter of the Mexican population. How much more do we have to take?”
Ramos dodged again, essentially admitting he supports no limit whatsoever.
“It’s an economic situation,” he said. “As long as you have people here who need immigrants and workers and as long as you have workers needing a job, they’re going to be coming here. It’s an economic situation.”
Ramos wrapped the interview at that point.
Earlier in the interview, Coulter and Ramos sparred about the numbers of illegal aliens in America right now. After noting how he and Coulter were going to have an “honest debate,” Ramos started it off by saying to her: “your numbers are wrong.”
“You are saying on page—right here, on page 72—that the real number of undocumented immigrants is 30 million,” Ramos said to Coulter.
“Yes,” Coulter replied.
“It isn’t,” Ramos followed up.
“I think you’re wrong, as I describe,” Coulter said. “The number we keep hearing is 11 million, 11 million, 11 million, 11 million—that’s so weird. It’s been 11 million for a decade.”
After Ramos attempted but failed to cut her off—Coulter kept going and interrupted his interruption with “hey, I’m still explaining”—she explained why there are far more than 11 million illegal aliens in America.
“As I explain in the book, they’re all using the Census figures,” Coulter said. “If the Census figures are wrong, then everybody’s numbers are wrong. I’m sorry, but it defies common sense that in the past decade that not one more illegal alien has come.
“In fact, I cite the work, first of all, of two people advising people about their money, Bear Stearns analysts, and they looked at something other than the Census reports, which relies on people who have broken the law to be here telling the truth in government surveys. They said, no, instead we’re going to look at remissions of money back to Mexico, for example. That is money people send here. School enrollments in illegal alien hot spots. Housing permits in illegal alien hot spots.
“Back in 2006, they said it was 20 million—two Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalists who spent a year investigating for Time Magazine, which you are one of the most influential people of—“
“That’s what they say,” Ramos interjected.
“So you better believe investigative reporters for Time Magazine and Vanity Fair,” Coulter continued. “In 2006, they said there have been another 3 million a year. That adds up to a minimum of 30 million.”
“It says 11.3 [million] according to Pew Research Center,” Ramos said in response.
“Yeah, they’re all relying on Census reports,” Coulter explained to Ramos.