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54 out of 64 CO Sheriffs File Lawsuit Against New Anti-Gun Law (Video)

May 17, 2013 8:05 PM PT

84% of all Colorado sheriffs have filed a lawsuit against the new gun law that passed earlier this Spring in the wake of the Sandy Hook school shooting. The  sheriffs are hoping to have the new restrictions invalidated because they believe they violate the Second Amendment.

The Colorado Legislature passed two laws that are set to take effect July 1 which limit the size of the of ammunition magazines to 15 rounds and expand background checks to private and online firearm sales.

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DC Considers Mandatory $250K Insurance for Gun Owners

May 17, 2013 4:20 AM PT

Two members of the DC City Council support a mandate forcing gun owners to carry  $250K liability insurance policy. 

Name and shame: "Councilmembers Vincent Orange and Mary Cheh said after a hearing Thursday that any bill they pursue would likely be narrower than Cheh’s initial proposal, which includes a requirement that gun owners insure themselves against intentional as well as accidental shootings"

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Cruz Challenges Biden to Gun Debate

May 3, 2013 1:17 PM PT

Senator Ted Cruz R-Texas spoke at the National Rifle Association meeting in Houston Friday. NRA supporters were gathering there for the first time since successfully fending off the Obama administration's push to enforce stricter gun laws. 

Cruz, noting Joe Biden's pledge to revive the fight for gun control, challenged him to a debate about the best way to end violent gun crimes.

"If he believes the answer to violent crime is not prosecuting felons and fugitives, not prosecuting  gun crimes, but going after the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens, I would like to invite the Vice President to engage in an hour long conversation and debate: How do we stop crime?

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Biden Going 'Rogue' on Gun Control

May 3, 2013 8:44 AM PT

Vice President Joe Biden is ready to move with a new wave of gun control,  "planning even more travel, with trips around the country to stump for a renewed push on expanded background checks and gun-trafficking laws that failed to pass the Senate last month."

Unfortunately, he hasn't told Obama of his plans. Speaking to a group of law enforcement officers, Biden said he "hasn’t really discussed" his plans with Obama. 

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Kansas to Holder: 'Bring It'

May 3, 2013 7:38 AM PT

On April 26, the day after the new Kansas gun law took effect, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder sent a letter to Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback stating that attempting to block federal regulation of some guns is unconstitutional and that the federal government is willing to go to court over the issue.

The U.S. attorney's office for Kansas released the letter on Thursday.

"Kansas may not prevent federal employees and officials from carrying out their official responsibilities," Holder wrote in his letter. "And a state certainly may not criminalize the exercise of federal responsibilities."

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Holder Threatens Kansas Over New Gun Law

May 2, 2013 10:09 AM PT

Kansas Governor Sam Brownback received a letter today from Attorney General Eric Holder threatening action against the state should it enforce SB102, the pro 2nd Amendment law Brownback signed into law last month.

The new law declares that the federal government has no power to regulate guns manufactured, sold and kept only in Kansas.

Any act, law, treaty, order, rule or regulation of the government of the United States which violates the second amendment to the constitution of the United States is null, void and unenforceable in the state of Kansas.

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Democrats Recruit Pro-Gun Candidates...Wait WHAT?

Apr 29, 2013 6:53 AM PT

As Democrats wail and lament about the utter failure that was the Senate's Gun Control legislation, they are simultaneously recruiting pro-gun democrat candidates to run in important races. 

The question is whether two of the Democrats’ most promising potential candidates in Montana and South Dakota will pay a price for the leadership’s political maneuverings in Washington. Or will recruiting candidates who do not support President Obama’s gun control agenda have any effect on Democratic fundraising efforts?

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Top gun control nut admits her ideas don't work, but we should pass more laws anyway

Apr 26, 2013 9:47 AM PT

The absolute, final reduction of gun control as a combination of irrational emotional gestures and political opportunism, courtesy of Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, as quoted by Reason:

"Let's be honest," says Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.). "Criminals aren't going to buy a gun and go through a background check." She nevertheless backs legislation expanding background checks for gun buyers. But since that bill will not impede criminals, the Times reports, Gillibrand also favors legislation that would "criminalize the shipping or transfer of guns to someone who is barred from possessing a firearm." 

That seems a bit redundant, since transferring a gun to someone you know or have reasonable cause to believe falls into a prohibited category is already a felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison. Apparently Gillibrand wants to make it even more illegal, which she says is "complementary to background checks." 

There you have the theory underlying the gun controls favored by President Obama in a nutshell: None of these measures on its own will do anything to reduce crime, but if we pass them all together...well, they still won't do anything, but they will create the appearance of doing something.

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'Stop the NRA' March Fizzles

Apr 25, 2013 12:46 PM PT

A coalition of left-wing activists held a rally and march in DC,  Thursday afternoon, to "ride a wave of public anger" and "drag the lobbyists out of the shadows."

 From their press release:

Riding a wave of public anger at the Senate’s failure to pass even minimal gun control legislation, a coalition of activists, advocates and campaign finance reformers will lead a march on Washington firearms lobbyists this Thursday, April 25 at NOON. The goal is to drag the lobbyists out of the shadows where they prefer to operate and expose exactly how the National Rifle Association subverts democracy.

The event will begin with a news conference in McPherson Square, where gun violence prevention leaders will lay out the web of influence controlled by the NRA and unveil a new anti-NRA artwork by Shepard Fairey, who produced the most memorable image of Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign.

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Gun control and the Boston manhunt

Apr 20, 2013 2:42 PM PT

I can't imagine anyone would still be interested in any of the dusty jars of snake oil tinkling around in the gun-control medicine wagon after the events of Friday.  The Tsarnaev brothers cared nothing for gun-control laws or gun-free zones, any more than their murderous attitudes were soothed by the "COEXIST" bumper sticker on the car they jacked.

None of the thousands of officers hunting for the fugitive bombers seemed willing to settle for 7 or 10 round limits on their magazines.  Does anyone doubt that a pair of killers who were able to rig up at least a dozen anti-personnel bombs would have trouble acquiring or kit-bashing their own "high-capacity" magazines?  For that matter, they obviously didn't need guns to wreak horrendous amounts of carnage.

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Obama to Revamp Background Checks

Apr 19, 2013 8:24 AM PT

After being blocked by Congress, Obama is now using his own power to make changes to the background check system for firearms purchases.

The Obama administration was starting a process Friday aimed at removing barriers in health privacy laws that prevent some states from reporting information to the background check system.

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Kansas and Missouri Pass Strong Pro-2nd Amendment Bills

Apr 18, 2013 7:08 PM PT

Approximately 650 gun-rights advocates rallied in Jefferson City, Missouri at the State Capitol, Thursday, as the House  passed HB 436,  the Second Amendment Preservation Act, which "rejects all federal acts that infringe on a Missouri citizens' rights under the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution," and "allows certain school personnel to carry concealed weapons on school grounds".

ABC-17 News reported:

The message sent throughout the building was anger towards Governor Jay Nixon and the Department of Revenue. They’re angry because their conceal carry information was sent to the federal government twice. Many tell ABC 17 News being a conceal carry holder for several years, this was an invasion of their privacy. 

Lawmakers played to the fired up crowd saying it was wrong for the Department of Revenue to willingly hand over their information. But some are still upset.

“I thought, how can my state government sell me out like that,” angry rally attendee Steve McCann says.

Lawmakers say the governor is finally taking notice of the concerns of Missourians. Telling Revenue to stop scanning those documents is a good start. But it needs to stop scanning everything altogether. Many that attended the rally tell us they're worried with what the government may do with the information. Even though officials claim the information was destroyed, some say they don't believe that.

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Are Gun Control Executive Orders Forthcoming?

Apr 18, 2013 1:24 PM PT

I'm not sure what to make of this Buzzfeed story that was reported, earlier today. 

According to their source, Vice President Biden told White House gun control allies that the president will be announcing new executive actions to curb gun violence in the coming days. 

On a conference call with “stakeholders,” Biden told gun control advocates that the fight is not over and that eventual action on gun control will come. Press were not invited to the conference call; a participant provided BuzzFeed with access. 

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'Everybody' ALWAYS Agrees With Obama

Apr 18, 2013 12:03 AM PT

In response to Obama: But 'Everybody' Agreed With Me?!?:

One of Obama's favorite tactics, (one I picked up on during the 2008 election) is his insufferable habit of padding his side of the argument by saying everyone agrees with him -  all the experts, economists, health care professionals, or simply "the American people" in general -  Everybody agrees with meeee!

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Savor the lamentations of the arrogant elitist gun-control crowd

Apr 17, 2013 2:49 PM PT

It's not every day that you see liberty winning in the U.S. Senate.  Savor the tears rolling down the marble cheeks of the loathsome Michael Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns, which wailed in a statement:

Today’s vote is a damning indictment of the stranglehold that special interests have on Washington. More than 40 U.S. senators would rather turn their backs on the 90 percent of Americans who support comprehensive background checks than buck the increasingly extremist wing of the gun lobby. 

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Assault Weapons Ban Goes Down 40Y-60N

Apr 17, 2013 2:41 PM PT

Senator Dianne Feinstein's assault weapon ban amendment failed to pass the Senate today. It bans the sale of 157 different semi-automatic weapons and high capacity magazines.  The amendment was long expected to fail.  

The final vote was 40 in favor, 60 against. 

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Harry Reid Will Vote for DiFi's AWB

Apr 17, 2013 7:53 AM PT

Majority Leader Harry Reid announced on the senate floor that he will vote for Sen. Feinstein's assault weapons ban amendment. (AWB)

“I believe you should have the right to own a gun,” Reid said on the Senate floor. “But you do not need an assault weapon to defend yourself and your property. Assault weapons have one purpose and one purpose alone, to kill a lot of people very quickly.”

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Senate to Hold Votes on Gun Control Amendments Today, Toomey-Manchin in Trouble

Apr 17, 2013 3:47 AM PT

Roll Call is reporting that the Senate will hold votes on nine amendments on the gun control bill today. (S.649)

Among the amendments to be considered are:

a plan to ensure that concealed-carry handgun permits issued by one state are recognized by all others, 

a ban on the future production of ammunition magazines holding 10 rounds or more, 

and a plan to impose new penalties for “straw purchasers” of firearms. 

All are subject to a 60-vote threshold for adoption.

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Evidently procedure, as well as reason, is off the table in the gun control debate

Apr 16, 2013 9:38 PM PT

In response to Manchin: Gabby Giffords Is Our Whip on Gun Bill:

So a former member of the House of Representatives will become a Senate "whip" on legislation based entirely on her status as the victim of a crime?  If the spirits of the Founders haven't already washed their hands of us, that should just about do the trick.

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Manchin: Gabby Giffords Is Our Whip on Gun Bill

Apr 16, 2013 2:41 PM PT

The Senate could vote as early as tomorrow on the Toomey-Manchin gun control bill. Reports indicate the Democrats do not have the 60 votes they need to pass the bill.

Former Rep. Gabby Giffords was on the Hill today along with her husband Mark Kelly.  

“She’s our whip,” said Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), who along with Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) crafted the deal to extend background checks on commercial gun sales and close the so-called “gun show loophole.”

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HIPPA Laws and a Database of Mentally Ill Folks

Apr 12, 2013 7:35 AM PT

I'm trying to get my head around exactly how this endeavor would work, especially since existing HIPPA laws would make transmitting medical information to third parties problematic.  (I don't know much about HIPPA, so maybe not...)

Nevertheless, reporting someone to a database for mental illness seems to open up some serious floodgates. What constitutes mental illness to such a degree that gun ownership would be prohibited? Depression? OCD? Right wing political views? Pro-life? Tax-hater? Sarah Palin fan?

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A Modest Proposal

Apr 12, 2013 6:32 AM PT

Gun ownership in Illinois is, well, an adventure. 

On my birthday last year I visited the delightfully-named 'Smoke N Gun' in Waukegan and applied for a state FOID (firearm owner identification) card. For those who are unfamiliar, possession of an Illinois FOID card is a prerequisite for purchasing a gun here. I believe we are the only state with such a law; we are also the only state in the union without concealed carry permits (until June anyway, thanks to a recent district court ruling). We're special snowflakes that way. 

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The 16 Republicans Who Voted Against The Filibuster

Apr 11, 2013 9:57 AM PT

In response to Schumer-Toomey Gun Control Bill Gets 68 Votes for Cloture; Now Passes to Full Senate for Lay-Up Passage:

Via Roll Call: 

The Republicans who voted against the filibuster are Sens. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, Richard M. Burr of North Carolina, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, Susan Collins of Maine, Bob Corker of Tennessee, Jeff Flake of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Dean Heller of Nevada, John Hoeven of North Dakota, Johnny Isakson of Georgia, Mark S. Kirk of Illinois, John McCain of Arizona, Patrick J. Toomey of Pennsylvania and Roger Wicker of Mississippi.

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Yo Roll Call, Internet Gun Sales Require a Background Check

Apr 10, 2013 5:36 AM PT

This article from Roll Call states:

The plan is expected to stop short of language currently in the bill that would require background checks on nearly all gun sales, including between private parties. Instead, Toomey aides said, the proposal would require background checks for private sales at gun shows and on the Internet, two areas that are currently exempt.

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Punitive Taxes: Backdoor Gun Control

Apr 9, 2013 5:16 AM PT

A new tool has arisen in the gun control arsenal: punitive taxes.

Firearms consumers in Chicago will now pay and additional $25 for each firearm purchased.  In California, a panel will hear testimony about imposing a 5 cent per bullet tax measure and New Jersey is debating a 5% tax added on to guns and ammo purchases. 

“There are costs incurred as a result of gun violence which are borne by the general taxpayer — both social and economical,” California Assemblyman Roger Dickinson, who put forward a nickel ammo tax proposal in January, said in an interview. “There ought to be a cost … to those who want to buy firearms.”

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Support For Gun Bill Filibuster Grows To 14

Apr 8, 2013 1:29 PM PT
Today, Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, announced that a total of 13 senators had signed a letter to Majority Leader Harry Reid threatening to oppose "any legislation that would infringe on the American people's constitutional right to bear arms." 

Fox News reported:

Lee, along with Sens. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and Ted Cruz, R-Texas, have led efforts to hold up the legislation, which could come up for debate as early as this week. They would do so by trying to require a 60-vote threshold, which could kill the legislation. 

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Gun Week: Senate Mobilizes to Deal with Gun Control

Apr 8, 2013 4:37 AM PT

This week Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) will decide what kind of gun control package to bring to the Senate floor. "Reid will have to decide early in the week whether a bipartisan compromise on background checks is possible or whether a promised GOP filibuster will prevent the Senate from taking broad action."

It's unlikely there will be any "assault weapons" or high capacity magazine ban victories. The big issue on the table is background checks and the GOP has been reluctant to get on board.

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Proud ignorance and gun control

Apr 5, 2013 2:36 PM PT

In response to Jake Tapper: Gun Control Advocates Should Have Basic Familiarity with That Which They Seek to Ban:

I was musing on this very topic right before Obama came out with his "fully automatic" comment.  (I recall some initial speculation that Obama might have been casually or inadvertently disclosing a previously unknown fact of the Newtown case, but I think we're safely able to assume ignorant folly by now.)

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Jake Tapper: Gun Control Advocates Should Have Basic Familiarity with That Which They Seek to Ban

Apr 5, 2013 12:04 PM PT

Before the clip, which is just terrific, let me bring up a hoary cliche beloved by liberals.  The cliche concerns know-nothing scolds whipped up into a Moral Panic, who wish to ban certain Dangerous Books.  When asked if they've ever read the books, they say, "No, I don't need to."  When asked if they even know what the books are about, they say again, "No, I don't need to.  I know this book is Bad."

And then liberals chuckle.  How silly.  How stupid.  How base.  How absurd that a Moral Scold would seek to ban a thing without having the slightest idea about what it is they seek to ban.

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Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott Urges Obama to Reject UN Arms Trade Treaty

Apr 2, 2013 1:37 PM PT

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott is concerned that the treaty threatens the constitutional liberties of U.S. citizens beyond the Second Amendment.

He's taken the lead in what promises to be a collective robust response from state Atty Generals to the Obama administration for what he characterized in a conference call this afternoon with bloggers, as a "deep threat" to our constitutional liberties. 

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Conn. Lawmakers to Place Sick Prisoners in Local Nursing Home

Apr 2, 2013 1:01 PM PT

In the midst of passing massive gun control legislation in the Nutmeg state, Connecticut lawmakers plan on moving sick prison inmates to a nursing home in Rocky Hill.  Although some Connecticut state legislators appear confident the inmates will not be a threat to the neighborhood,  State Sen. John Kissel (R - Enfield) is not buying it.

"What if it was your mom or dad or grandparents in this nursing facility and one whole wing is dedicated towards prisoners?" Kissel told the CT Mirror in February. He added that the kinds of crimes the inmates were convicted of would make a difference. If there were 25 convicted murderers in a facility, he said, "I don't care how old they are, I would not feel good about it." : 

Kissel said having a separate facility dedicated to parolees would cause fewer concerns, although he said 95 beds is a lot and could raise questions about location, staffing and security.

"I don't care if they're 80 years old," he said. "They're incarcerated for a reason."

Rep. Craig Miner, R-Litchfield, said it could make fiscal sense to have people with significant health issues receive care in lower-cost settings. The state currently spends just under $100 million on health care for prisoners, a figure that's drawn scrutiny from lawmakers.

But Miner said it will be critical for the plans to be clearly disclosed and explained so people understand what's happening in their communities.

"I try not to be an alarmist, but I do think there are a lot of reasons for concern and a lot of hope that if done the right way, it can save the state some money, allow us to, as Secretary [Benjamin] Barnes said, rebalance this asset of a nursing home in some other productive way, and not upset the community in which they exist," he said.

Miner likened the situation to group homes opening in communities. In some cases, it worked well, with no tension, while in other cases, it didn't go as well, the result, Miner said, of not having the communication to make neighbors understand what was happening.

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